Born of the Gods Visual Spoiler (Complete)

has wotc explained how hybrid mana symbols will affect the hybrid gods?

@staggerlee

“It doesn’t come up in Theros, but hybrid mana symbols and other unusual colored mana symbols also count toward your devotion to each of their colors. For example, a permanent that costs (R/G)(R/G) adds two to your devotion to red and two to your devotion to green.”, http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/therosmechanics

It looks like Breaching Hippocamp will finally have its revenge!

Haha, Wotc: “Let’s build a part of this set around Breaching Hippocampus.” Lol

Even bigger guys Hope they print some removals, otherwise who has the better rare…
Can Ephara draw 2 cards? If you play a creature normal in your turn ->draw at the beginning of your opponents upkeep. In your opponents turn play a “flash-creature” ->draw at the beginning of your upkeep!
Has every new god so weird upkeep-triggers?
This set has a million triggers, because of the inspired-ability. I think many good players abuse the triggers of heroic and inspired, this is fun

@Myself

I did some research: Wizards confirmed that Hero works with bestow, and I’m pretty sure you can not bestow reanimated enchantment creatures.

Ummmmmm, Kiora’s Follower is buuuusted in Modern…..1) It’s a Merfolk, 2) All the merfolk lords, 3) Wake Thrasher……2 Kiora’s Followers in play and a Wake Thrasher. Oh I know you are all thinking, “Magical Christmas Land, here we come!” but is it really? Kiora’s Follower is pretty sweet in Modern merfolk on it’s own (“sure, i’ll play two lords this turn off of Aether Vial, or have a good sized blocker for your turn”), and I firmly believe Wake Thrasher has been criminally overlooked already. I mean, it is, on a small level, the merfolk Goblin Piledriver. I don’t know about you all, but I will be picking up my playsets of both A.S.A.P.

Tromokratis. So funny. It means terrorist in greek.

So, is Pain Seer a controllable Bob?

Yeah – I foresee the main problem being that it needs to become tapped before getting any benefit from it. That, and it can be turned off if you can’t attack with it or it gets tapped down somehow.

@maestro The Pain Seer is no way near Bob! Bob just do his thing and that calls “card-advantage”! The Pain Seer needs a lot of help! And until now there aren’t any good tap/untap-tricks.
I prefer Thassa’s Emissary, okay you have to make damage to your opponent to draw a card and it costs more mana. I think Pain Seer is may be early in the game good, but looses it’s value really quick.
Bob’s disadvantage can be handled by designing a good deck around him, with enough removal/sacrifice-abilities.

This Edition seams to have too much “delayed-trigger-abilities”, very complex stuff! Especially you have to decide much before drawing a card, for example the cards like Arie Worshippers. You must ask every untap-phase do I pay 3 for a token, or do I need mana for my other cards in hand.

I was really excited about Reap What Is Sown as a great heroic trigger in limited, but then I realized it only targets once per creature. It does has an increased reach if you have the board presence. At the same time a Common Bond reprint would have been more effective given you could hit the same target twice in a row with it. Common bond would have netted you a 11/11 Centaur Battlemaster with two cards. Now I need four cards, three with heroic triggers, for value. Well played R&D.

White weenie was dropped a big gift in Archetype of courage. It hits right in that 3 CMC sweet spot and the affect makes combat a nightmare for your opponent. It makes that precinct captain spit out very valid blockers and could wreck red aggressive play. How is this an uncommon?

Archetype of Endurance in a Red Green stompy deck. 8 CMC seems right to discourage this in competitive play, but there is a ton of ramp around. 6/5 hexproof that makes everything else huge I have hexproof? That’s a pretty good finisher at uncommon and a great bomb to draft around. If you’re seeing a lot of voyaging satyrs this some centaurs and a couple foxes could set you in block.

@Maestro

This is true. And a reprint of a card that is still in standard would be silly. It just means in block draft you won’t be able to repeated target like I first thought. Centaur Battlemaster is not good enough for standard but is decent in draft. I was hoping Reap What Is Sown could be heroic dynamite draft, but it’s more of a glass cannon.

Archetype of courage looks very playable in a standard white weenie. And great in draft as a turn three with loads of utility. Cheap, has more than one toughness, falls at the right time for his stats, I’d say he’s a high pick at uncommon.

@Ergoogre,

Shieldmate IS playable in the dedicated heroic decks of limited, and it will actually be pretty good in them, but it’s unplayable in any other deck. A good way to assess playability of bestow creatures is to ask yourself: “would I play just the enchantment half of the card in my deck? is the creature who’s left behind strong enough to justify overpaying for the enchantment half? and would I ever be happy to play the creature not as an aura but as itself?”

In any deck that doesn’t have 2 or more ordeals in it, a 1/2 for 1 is a sideboard card against bad aggro decks that look to win by playing 15 satyr hedonists. It doesn’t even have any ability, so unlike hopeful eidlon for example it will almost never be good to target him with bestow creatures. So you’ll never want to play him as just a creature.
As an enchantment he’s as weak as we’ve seen a bestow creature get. Just a vanilla +1/+2. That’s just not a good enchantment and I wouldn’t ever play a card that did just this in my decks.
The creature left behind, a 1/2, is good for chump blocking and little else. It gets very close to being a worthless creature.

So the card fails on all fronts. It’s only good in decks that would play any card that has the text “target creature you control” on it – if what we’ve seen from Theros is an indicator, that will mostly be aggressive WR or WU strategies, who will be glad to have the cheapest bestow creature yet (at 3 mana – although everflame Eidlon costs the same and is incredibly better. Still an uncommon though).

What I’m saying is that it’s going to be an important component of one kind of deck, and very bad in almost any other deck. Meaning that aggressive players could get it consistnetly even though we have only a single Born of the Gods pack to open.

There had better be some pretty good aggressive decks in this format or the Tribute cards are going to make quite a thump as most of them are either a two for one straight up if you don’t pay the tribute cost, or a undercosted vanilla creature if you do pay the tribute.

Fortunately, most of the tribute creatures lack super dangerous abilities, like trample, as those are mostly limited to the Rares. I’ll be curious as to the constructed implications, but I think for limited it’s going to be just pseudo-bomb for some of the rares and just a pretty good card for the uncommons.

Why would you imagine that?
I read the card as if it is giving instructions to the caster: You exile any target creature. Then YOU put a token into play. No, you can’t put into play for your opponent! What are you, an idiot? Look, just untap that mana and pretend you were going to do something else, ok?”

So does Eidolon of Countless battles by itself hit the board at 1/1 or 2/2?

The card states +1/+1 for each creature and +1/+1 for each enchantment you control. The ‘and’ makes it sound like these effects are counted separately, but the each makes it reminiscent of Devotion and hybrid mana symbols so an Enchantment Creature is only +1/+1, not +1/+1 for creature then an additional +1/+1 for it being an enchantment.

It also makes a big different in the value of the card if in constructed a Heliod Cleric Token is an instant +2/+2 buff or in draft the God Favored General inspired trigger Drops +4/+4 and two tokens on the table.

Lol @ another divination… Poor UW

@Johnnycapo:

That’s just because it is based on combinations. Why won’t you play a format if there are no broken cards in it? The general gist (and in my eyes, for good reason) is that you do NOT want cards to be too broken (like most of the cards you mentioned) because it would be no fun at all if your opponent has the luck to get one and you don’t. Keeping the cards fair by themselves and play it more on clever combination of cards that are not so good on their own is a valid strategy.

Of course, it’s your opinion but just crying for broken cards will never work with the current meta

It would be really cool if there would be a Planeswalker that summons wolves. Or a legendary creature that has a mana ability that lets you make wolf tokens